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	<description>Thoughts, musings, and rants by Karl Fogel</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-15665</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, by the way Jared, credit where credit is due: I didn't write &lt;a href="http://svnbook.red-bean.com"  rel="nofollow"&gt;the Subversion book&lt;/a&gt;.  Its authors are Ben Collins-Sussman, Mike Pilato, and Brian Fitzpatrick.  (I did write the foreword, but I don't think that's what people are going to the book for!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, by the way Jared, credit where credit is due: I didn&#8217;t write <a href="http://svnbook.red-bean.com"  rel="nofollow">the Subversion book</a>.  Its authors are Ben Collins-Sussman, Mike Pilato, and Brian Fitzpatrick.  (I did write the foreword, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what people are going to the book for!)</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-15663</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Progressive fiscal conservative", I like that one... and it seems like a good descriptor for what you favor.

Though I've always felt that the way we nabbed the word "progressive" is unfair -- kind of like how IBM managed to make "PC" mean their particular hardware standard, instead of being a generic term for any personal computer, which it was before.  Non-progressives who also believe in "progress" (whatever that means) must be mad every time they hear the word used in the sense we're using it, and one can't really blame them.  Not to mention its use as a term of art in taxation jargon: "progressive" vs "regressive".  I mean, it's like calling the two tax strategies "motherhood" and "terrorist" respectively.  How is anyone supposed to have a reasonable policy debate with terms like &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt;? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Progressive fiscal conservative&#8221;, I like that one&#8230; and it seems like a good descriptor for what you favor.</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;ve always felt that the way we nabbed the word &#8220;progressive&#8221; is unfair &#8212; kind of like how IBM managed to make &#8220;PC&#8221; mean their particular hardware standard, instead of being a generic term for any personal computer, which it was before.  Non-progressives who also believe in &#8220;progress&#8221; (whatever that means) must be mad every time they hear the word used in the sense we&#8217;re using it, and one can&#8217;t really blame them.  Not to mention its use as a term of art in taxation jargon: &#8220;progressive&#8221; vs &#8220;regressive&#8221;.  I mean, it&#8217;s like calling the two tax strategies &#8220;motherhood&#8221; and &#8220;terrorist&#8221; respectively.  How is anyone supposed to have a reasonable policy debate with terms like <em>that</em>? <img src='http://www.rants.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-15366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been a fan for a few years Karl, after reading your Subversion documentation and general writings on OSS. I stumbled on this blog for the first time today, and I'm proud to find out that you're a fellow Obama supporter. 

I like the "Conservative Leftist" identification, though my own definition varies from yours. I think I'm personally a progressive fiscal conservative, and I think the main goal of government should be to constantly evolve towards more efficient ways of coordinating the populace (without taking away privacy), for the good of all, with the minimum expenditure required. I believe this is possible because of dynamic self-organization systems, that sometimes arise with minimum interference, like much of cooperative capitalism, and the OSS phenomenon itself. There are places where government must intervene for the long-term fiscal good of all though, like anything involving far-reaching external costs (the environment), or areas where gaming the system temporarily benefits the few over the many (false SEC filings, predatory lending, protection rackets, patent trolls, etc.). That's why I don't see my progressivism and fiscal conservatism in conflict -- I think progressive government action is often the "cheapest" long term method of populace protection, overall. The "Republican" methods over my lifetime, including constant war and badly placed glad-handed deregulation, have certainly proved costly. In many ways current Republicans are the exact opposite of fiscally conservative.

I think Barack Obama is the one candidate that sees things the same way. Any notion of "conservation" or "progress" should include benefiting and preserving the rights of ALL people -- not the rich elite few, over the many under-represented (we can't all have lobbies, Hillary). Hillary forgets that foreign nationals and businesses sometimes have more ability to contribute to lobbies than real American citizens -- lobbies DO NOT represent real Americans, and definitely not proportionally. I was a McCain supporter in 2000 for some of the same reasons, but he sure changed his tune since then, when W forced him to decide that being a warmongering hypocrite is the only way to win in the Republican party nomination. Obama is the only real choice left, so thank goodness he's a smart one too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a fan for a few years Karl, after reading your Subversion documentation and general writings on OSS. I stumbled on this blog for the first time today, and I&#8217;m proud to find out that you&#8217;re a fellow Obama supporter. </p>
<p>I like the &#8220;Conservative Leftist&#8221; identification, though my own definition varies from yours. I think I&#8217;m personally a progressive fiscal conservative, and I think the main goal of government should be to constantly evolve towards more efficient ways of coordinating the populace (without taking away privacy), for the good of all, with the minimum expenditure required. I believe this is possible because of dynamic self-organization systems, that sometimes arise with minimum interference, like much of cooperative capitalism, and the OSS phenomenon itself. There are places where government must intervene for the long-term fiscal good of all though, like anything involving far-reaching external costs (the environment), or areas where gaming the system temporarily benefits the few over the many (false SEC filings, predatory lending, protection rackets, patent trolls, etc.). That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t see my progressivism and fiscal conservatism in conflict &#8212; I think progressive government action is often the &#8220;cheapest&#8221; long term method of populace protection, overall. The &#8220;Republican&#8221; methods over my lifetime, including constant war and badly placed glad-handed deregulation, have certainly proved costly. In many ways current Republicans are the exact opposite of fiscally conservative.</p>
<p>I think Barack Obama is the one candidate that sees things the same way. Any notion of &#8220;conservation&#8221; or &#8220;progress&#8221; should include benefiting and preserving the rights of ALL people &#8212; not the rich elite few, over the many under-represented (we can&#8217;t all have lobbies, Hillary). Hillary forgets that foreign nationals and businesses sometimes have more ability to contribute to lobbies than real American citizens &#8212; lobbies DO NOT represent real Americans, and definitely not proportionally. I was a McCain supporter in 2000 for some of the same reasons, but he sure changed his tune since then, when W forced him to decide that being a warmongering hypocrite is the only way to win in the Republican party nomination. Obama is the only real choice left, so thank goodness he&#8217;s a smart one too.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13824</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to experience:

"I found the BEEF - Obama's Senate Record"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to experience:</p>
<p>&#8220;I found the BEEF - Obama&#8217;s Senate Record&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Bachir</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13606</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bachir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts Karl. I quoted you in my article about Obama's technology platform:

http://blog.johnjosephbachir.org/2008/02/10/barack-obamas-technology-platform/

Also, I made this site a couple weeks ago :-D

http://yeswecanhas.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts Karl. I quoted you in my article about Obama&#8217;s technology platform:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.johnjosephbachir.org/2008/02/10/barack-obamas-technology-platform/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.johnjosephbachir.org/2008/02/10/barack-obamas-technology-platform/</a></p>
<p>Also, I made this site a couple weeks ago <img src='http://www.rants.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://yeswecanhas.com/" rel="nofollow">http://yeswecanhas.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Barack Obama&#8217;s technology platform at JJB Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13605</link>
		<dc:creator>Barack Obama&#8217;s technology platform at JJB Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Karl Fogel, software engineer, open source software community leader, copyright reformer Barack Obama is exactly what he seems: terrifically smart, well-intentioned, utterly free of the personal insecurities that drive far too much of the decision-making in the current administration, and eminently electable. He stands a much better chance of winning against McCain than any other Democratic candidate would have. The canard that he’s light on policy simply confuses a primary-season tactic for a general electoral strategy. There’s no point trying to out-wonk Hillary Clinton, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t done his homework: when the time comes, it’s there in reserve. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Karl Fogel, software engineer, open source software community leader, copyright reformer Barack Obama is exactly what he seems: terrifically smart, well-intentioned, utterly free of the personal insecurities that drive far too much of the decision-making in the current administration, and eminently electable. He stands a much better chance of winning against McCain than any other Democratic candidate would have. The canard that he’s light on policy simply confuses a primary-season tactic for a general electoral strategy. There’s no point trying to out-wonk Hillary Clinton, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t done his homework: when the time comes, it’s there in reserve. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13604</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear, Scott!

Of course, if he goes with public financing, then it's not clear what we small donors do.  The big donors, it's clear: they buy TV time and produce ads themselves, loosely coordinated with the campaign's talking points, and meanwhile the campaign can honestly say "We had nothing to do with it!  We couldn't stop them!"

Ah, the delightful intersection of campaign finance reform and freedom of speech... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear, Scott!</p>
<p>Of course, if he goes with public financing, then it&#8217;s not clear what we small donors do.  The big donors, it&#8217;s clear: they buy TV time and produce ads themselves, loosely coordinated with the campaign&#8217;s talking points, and meanwhile the campaign can honestly say &#8220;We had nothing to do with it!  We couldn&#8217;t stop them!&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, the delightful intersection of campaign finance reform and freedom of speech&#8230; <img src='http://www.rants.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13597</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Karl.  Yes we can.  Obama has my vote, and some of my money.  If he clinches the nomination I'll send some more money for the general election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Karl.  Yes we can.  Obama has my vote, and some of my money.  If he clinches the nomination I&#8217;ll send some more money for the general election.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13591</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, let's move on to issues of substance, like his absolutely dreamy baritone voice.

Obamarrific!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, let&#8217;s move on to issues of substance, like his absolutely dreamy baritone voice.</p>
<p>Obamarrific!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/02/20/obama-rama/#comment-13590</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*nod*  I wasn't quite sure how much legislative influence you were attributing to the President (partly because of the relationship between the first half and the second half of your sentence), so I was just putting in a plug for "Darned little, most of the time!" :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*nod*  I wasn&#8217;t quite sure how much legislative influence you were attributing to the President (partly because of the relationship between the first half and the second half of your sentence), so I was just putting in a plug for &#8220;Darned little, most of the time!&#8221; :-).</p>
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