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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/comment-page-1/#comment-22472</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the racism is a factor I worry about too (replying to Scott here) -- especially because we are probably ill-placed to know how much of it is out there, just because it would be a socially unacceptable sentiment to express in the circles we hang out in.

But the more I watch how the McCain campaign is trying to present his candidacy, the more clear it becomes that they are just pathetically out of touch (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198965.php&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198945.php&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, for example).  It looks like he&#039;s going to rely on his status as a war hero who has genuinely suffered for his country to make some kind of call for service to a greater cause.  &quot;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country,&quot; that sort of thing.

Which would have worked, except that too many people understand the new game: &lt;em&gt;this time, they lie to you&lt;/em&gt; (as my friend Matt put it).  

Who wouldn&#039;t want to serve a cause greater than themselves, after all?  Most people would have been glad to; the great tragedy of the Bush administration is that it squandered that emotional capital by selling a war on insinuation and lies.  Thus many who might have been prepared to answer McCain&#039;s call will instead scratch their heads and say &quot;Doesn&#039;t he get it?  The new game is, they lie to you.&quot; (&lt;em&gt;cough&lt;/em&gt; Gulf of Tonkin &lt;em&gt;cough&lt;/em&gt;... You&#039;d think as a Vietnam vet, McCain would be a little more sensitive on this point, but apparently not.)

As clichÃ©d as it is, I think the conventional wisdom on Obama vs McCain is correct: McCain&#039;s living in the past (a past that predates even his own personal experience, actually), while Obama instinctively understands the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the racism is a factor I worry about too (replying to Scott here) &#8212; especially because we are probably ill-placed to know how much of it is out there, just because it would be a socially unacceptable sentiment to express in the circles we hang out in.</p>
<p>But the more I watch how the McCain campaign is trying to present his candidacy, the more clear it becomes that they are just pathetically out of touch (see <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198965.php"  rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198945.php"  rel="nofollow">here</a>, for example).  It looks like he&#8217;s going to rely on his status as a war hero who has genuinely suffered for his country to make some kind of call for service to a greater cause.  &#8220;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country,&#8221; that sort of thing.</p>
<p>Which would have worked, except that too many people understand the new game: <em>this time, they lie to you</em> (as my friend Matt put it).  </p>
<p>Who wouldn&#8217;t want to serve a cause greater than themselves, after all?  Most people would have been glad to; the great tragedy of the Bush administration is that it squandered that emotional capital by selling a war on insinuation and lies.  Thus many who might have been prepared to answer McCain&#8217;s call will instead scratch their heads and say &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t he get it?  The new game is, they lie to you.&#8221; (<em>cough</em> Gulf of Tonkin <em>cough</em>&#8230; You&#8217;d think as a Vietnam vet, McCain would be a little more sensitive on this point, but apparently not.)</p>
<p>As clichÃ©d as it is, I think the conventional wisdom on Obama vs McCain is correct: McCain&#8217;s living in the past (a past that predates even his own personal experience, actually), while Obama instinctively understands the present.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/comment-page-1/#comment-22363</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your optimism is encouraging, Karl.  I&#039;m really pulling for Obama also and on many levels it seems this should be an easy win.  It shouldn&#039;t be hard to make the case that voting for McCain is voting for 4 more years of Bush policies, and I don&#039;t think many people want that.  Obama knows how to pick good people and can run a good campaign.  My only concern is that there might be enough embedded prejudice (if not racism) to make it closer than I&#039;d like to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your optimism is encouraging, Karl.  I&#8217;m really pulling for Obama also and on many levels it seems this should be an easy win.  It shouldn&#8217;t be hard to make the case that voting for McCain is voting for 4 more years of Bush policies, and I don&#8217;t think many people want that.  Obama knows how to pick good people and can run a good campaign.  My only concern is that there might be enough embedded prejudice (if not racism) to make it closer than I&#8217;d like to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/comment-page-1/#comment-22333</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way,  Lessig has been an Obama supporter for a long time (and, if I recall correctly, is an adviser as well -- which just makes me that much happier about Obama&#039;s victory).

rocksun: ...and I hope that when you do have elections, it&#039;s with a more rational and democratic system than ours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way,  Lessig has been an Obama supporter for a long time (and, if I recall correctly, is an adviser as well &#8212; which just makes me that much happier about Obama&#8217;s victory).</p>
<p>rocksun: &#8230;and I hope that when you do have elections, it&#8217;s with a more rational and democratic system than ours!</p>
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		<title>By: David Carlton</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/comment-page-1/#comment-22332</link>
		<dc:creator>David Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence Lessig had an interesting point along similar lines about Clinton&#039;s campaign.  A big part of her sales pitch (at least recently) was that she was tougher and more experienced than Obama.  She didn&#039;t succeed at getting the nomination, but if she had, she would have been setting herself up for getting creamed by McCain: if those are her strong points, it&#039;s hard to claim that she&#039;s tougher than a former military man / POW, and he unquestionably has more experience in office than she does.

And, of course, I fully support reading go books. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence Lessig had an interesting point along similar lines about Clinton&#8217;s campaign.  A big part of her sales pitch (at least recently) was that she was tougher and more experienced than Obama.  She didn&#8217;t succeed at getting the nomination, but if she had, she would have been setting herself up for getting creamed by McCain: if those are her strong points, it&#8217;s hard to claim that she&#8217;s tougher than a former military man / POW, and he unquestionably has more experience in office than she does.</p>
<p>And, of course, I fully support reading go books. <img src='http://www.rants.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rocksun</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/comment-page-1/#comment-22310</link>
		<dc:creator>rocksun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I&#039;m not American, but the election really interest me.

At first, I choose Hilary, I think she would be the democrats&#039;s candidate. I think is because  I had read her and her husband&#039;s autobiography. I know much about Hiary&#039;s life. But after read some article&#039;s about obama, I find I know why the Amercan may choose him. I had watch the movie &#039;Bobby&#039;, I think someone had made obama as the Bobby.

I also  want to take part in our election one day, make my own decision of our own country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;m not American, but the election really interest me.</p>
<p>At first, I choose Hilary, I think she would be the democrats&#8217;s candidate. I think is because  I had read her and her husband&#8217;s autobiography. I know much about Hiary&#8217;s life. But after read some article&#8217;s about obama, I find I know why the Amercan may choose him. I had watch the movie &#8216;Bobby&#8217;, I think someone had made obama as the Bobby.</p>
<p>I also  want to take part in our election one day, make my own decision of our own country.</p>
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