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	<description>Thoughts, musings, and rants by Karl Fogel</description>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/#comment-22472</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the racism is a factor I worry about too (replying to Scott here) -- especially because we are probably ill-placed to know how much of it is out there, just because it would be a socially unacceptable sentiment to express in the circles we hang out in.

But the more I watch how the McCain campaign is trying to present his candidacy, the more clear it becomes that they are just pathetically out of touch (see &lt;a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198965.php"  rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198945.php"  rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, for example).  It looks like he's going to rely on his status as a war hero who has genuinely suffered for his country to make some kind of call for service to a greater cause.  "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country," that sort of thing.

Which would have worked, except that too many people understand the new game: &lt;em&gt;this time, they lie to you&lt;/em&gt; (as my friend Matt put it).  

Who wouldn't want to serve a cause greater than themselves, after all?  Most people would have been glad to; the great tragedy of the Bush administration is that it squandered that emotional capital by selling a war on insinuation and lies.  Thus many who might have been prepared to answer McCain's call will instead scratch their heads and say "Doesn't he get it?  The new game is, they lie to you." (&lt;em&gt;cough&lt;/em&gt; Gulf of Tonkin &lt;em&gt;cough&lt;/em&gt;... You'd think as a Vietnam vet, McCain would be a little more sensitive on this point, but apparently not.)

As clichéd as it is, I think the conventional wisdom on Obama vs McCain is correct: McCain's living in the past (a past that predates even his own personal experience, actually), while Obama instinctively understands the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the racism is a factor I worry about too (replying to Scott here) &#8212; especially because we are probably ill-placed to know how much of it is out there, just because it would be a socially unacceptable sentiment to express in the circles we hang out in.</p>
<p>But the more I watch how the McCain campaign is trying to present his candidacy, the more clear it becomes that they are just pathetically out of touch (see <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198965.php"  rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198945.php"  rel="nofollow">here</a>, for example).  It looks like he&#8217;s going to rely on his status as a war hero who has genuinely suffered for his country to make some kind of call for service to a greater cause.  &#8220;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country,&#8221; that sort of thing.</p>
<p>Which would have worked, except that too many people understand the new game: <em>this time, they lie to you</em> (as my friend Matt put it).  </p>
<p>Who wouldn&#8217;t want to serve a cause greater than themselves, after all?  Most people would have been glad to; the great tragedy of the Bush administration is that it squandered that emotional capital by selling a war on insinuation and lies.  Thus many who might have been prepared to answer McCain&#8217;s call will instead scratch their heads and say &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t he get it?  The new game is, they lie to you.&#8221; (<em>cough</em> Gulf of Tonkin <em>cough</em>&#8230; You&#8217;d think as a Vietnam vet, McCain would be a little more sensitive on this point, but apparently not.)</p>
<p>As clichéd as it is, I think the conventional wisdom on Obama vs McCain is correct: McCain&#8217;s living in the past (a past that predates even his own personal experience, actually), while Obama instinctively understands the present.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Carpenter</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/#comment-22363</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Carpenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your optimism is encouraging, Karl.  I'm really pulling for Obama also and on many levels it seems this should be an easy win.  It shouldn't be hard to make the case that voting for McCain is voting for 4 more years of Bush policies, and I don't think many people want that.  Obama knows how to pick good people and can run a good campaign.  My only concern is that there might be enough embedded prejudice (if not racism) to make it closer than I'd like to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your optimism is encouraging, Karl.  I&#8217;m really pulling for Obama also and on many levels it seems this should be an easy win.  It shouldn&#8217;t be hard to make the case that voting for McCain is voting for 4 more years of Bush policies, and I don&#8217;t think many people want that.  Obama knows how to pick good people and can run a good campaign.  My only concern is that there might be enough embedded prejudice (if not racism) to make it closer than I&#8217;d like to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Fogel</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/#comment-22333</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Fogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way,  Lessig has been an Obama supporter for a long time (and, if I recall correctly, is an adviser as well -- which just makes me that much happier about Obama's victory).

rocksun: ...and I hope that when you do have elections, it's with a more rational and democratic system than ours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way,  Lessig has been an Obama supporter for a long time (and, if I recall correctly, is an adviser as well &#8212; which just makes me that much happier about Obama&#8217;s victory).</p>
<p>rocksun: &#8230;and I hope that when you do have elections, it&#8217;s with a more rational and democratic system than ours!</p>
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		<title>By: David Carlton</title>
		<link>http://www.rants.org/2008/06/03/over/#comment-22332</link>
		<dc:creator>David Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence Lessig had an interesting point along similar lines about Clinton's campaign.  A big part of her sales pitch (at least recently) was that she was tougher and more experienced than Obama.  She didn't succeed at getting the nomination, but if she had, she would have been setting herself up for getting creamed by McCain: if those are her strong points, it's hard to claim that she's tougher than a former military man / POW, and he unquestionably has more experience in office than she does.

And, of course, I fully support reading go books. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence Lessig had an interesting point along similar lines about Clinton&#8217;s campaign.  A big part of her sales pitch (at least recently) was that she was tougher and more experienced than Obama.  She didn&#8217;t succeed at getting the nomination, but if she had, she would have been setting herself up for getting creamed by McCain: if those are her strong points, it&#8217;s hard to claim that she&#8217;s tougher than a former military man / POW, and he unquestionably has more experience in office than she does.</p>
<p>And, of course, I fully support reading go books. <img src='http://www.rants.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: rocksun</title>
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		<dc:creator>rocksun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I'm not American, but the election really interest me.

At first, I choose Hilary, I think she would be the democrats's candidate. I think is because  I had read her and her husband's autobiography. I know much about Hiary's life. But after read some article's about obama, I find I know why the Amercan may choose him. I had watch the movie 'Bobby', I think someone had made obama as the Bobby.

I also  want to take part in our election one day, make my own decision of our own country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I&#8217;m not American, but the election really interest me.</p>
<p>At first, I choose Hilary, I think she would be the democrats&#8217;s candidate. I think is because  I had read her and her husband&#8217;s autobiography. I know much about Hiary&#8217;s life. But after read some article&#8217;s about obama, I find I know why the Amercan may choose him. I had watch the movie &#8216;Bobby&#8217;, I think someone had made obama as the Bobby.</p>
<p>I also  want to take part in our election one day, make my own decision of our own country.</p>
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